Well, ... well isn't it great to finally have free access to 8000+ scholarly journals? she says calmly.
Anyway, here I will plonkity links and things... *sleepy* I just came across something rather baffling that immediately makes me: "Noo, what the... what are you talking about?!?" ...(but then who am I trusting and where do I get my original views of everything?? This seems highly unlikey but WHY?)
This cites a book which: "comprehensively demolishes the positive myth of Revolution." Twas in 1919 -- but then, eh, you can't say it's wrong JUST because of that.
But I do find it very eyebrow-raise-worthy indeed how apparently the Revolution was plotted by the Duc d'Orleans.
Ohh, and it's a freemason plot too. Interesting. Yesss. So Danton and Desmoulins were bought by Orleans - yes, ok, that's plausible enough in the early years... I'd like to see you fit Robespierre and St-Just in that way! *blink* It just seems such an insane idea that my head is spinning! Apparently their plan "got out of control" (Orleans', and Mirabeau's?)..... but, um, surely they.... gah, surely they wouldn't be THAT stupid as to assume they could control -- well, I suppose they might think that.......... but we're saying just a FEW people stirred things up, everyone else was happy and etc etc?
"The red, white and blue cockade - the origin of the revolutionary tricolore - happened to be the livery of the Duc d'Orleans. Desmoulins said: "When patriots needed a rallying sign, could they have done better than to choose the colours of the one who first called us to liberty?". "
- hm, I don't recall Desmoulins having said that in any other source I've ever read ever.
"The situation has a parallel in the Russian Revolution, where most Bolshevik leaders were non-Russians: Poles, Jews, Georgians etc. The use of foreigners to kick-start revolutions and to terrorize local people into acquiescence has always been a major strategy of the Left, perhaps why they are so keen on mass immigration."
*BLINKETTY WHATTHEDENMARK??!* There is... so much wrong with that paragraph.
Just - guh!!! There are about a thousand paralells that actually DO exist between the Revolution - why make something stupid like this up??
So -- everyone was ok, then some outside agitators "terrorized" them into, uh, revolting against the monarch? Er, yeeeah.
"An Orleaniste agent also assassinated a journalist, Suleau, who had boldly produced writings exposing their plot."
A new interpretation..... all I know about Suleau I basically know from PoGS, where he was killed by Theroigne but ... well, this just doens't wash if you
don't believe in this guy's stupid conspiracy theory!!
And THEN he goes into this big thing about how the royals were all lovely and harmless and submissive and the mob was bloodthirsty and liked killing people and there were only seven people in the Bastille
anyway -- and that's all basically true.... well, the king was just useless etc etc, and the "mob" were frightened by the fact there were TROOPS arriving in Paris........ but, um, I thought his original theory was more along the lines of: "OUTSIDE agitators hatch a plot etcetc", now we've got the usual "mob goes mad" thing.
"After the King's judicial murder, the Commune turned on the people. Why did so many go to their deaths without fighting back? "The despotism of the demagogues was organized, while the people were composed of solitary units that could not coalesce". There was a fear of whom to trust. The Left relies on its superior organization to paralyse all opposition. Method has always been its chief strength."
Buzzahwhaa?
NOW the "people" are all innocent again and the government is pure evil. Hee, just wait for the bit about the tricotes and further bloodthirst mobs...
"As George Orwell observed in his dystopia, 1984, it is not enough that enemies of society be destroyed - they must go to their deaths utterly discredited even in their own eyes. In Dec 1792, Louis XVI was put on trial on sundry trumped-up charges, including: stockpiling bottles of rum, committing more cruelties than Nero and bathing in human blood. This travesty of justice - the Assembly being both accusers and judges - ended with the King being condemned to death. At her trial in Oct 1793, Marie Antoinette was similarly demonized and even accused of the sexual abuse of her own children, before being executed. Wild accusations and enforced confessions also featured in the Bolshevik Revolution, strongly reminiscent of Mediaeval witchcraft trials."
This is a good point. And things that Herbert and people said were utterly sick.
BUT THIS WRITER ANNOYS ME SOOOO MUCH. He just KEEPS GOING ON ABOUT "THE LEFT" and how they're PURE EVIL.
"Despite being ostensibly democratic, the hard-line Socialist Republicans under Robespierre changed the law in other ways too: banning "coalitions of workmen" (i.e. trade unions), freedom of the press, religious liberty, free speech and being allowed a defence or witnesses during a trial. "Democratic despotism" is no empty phrase but a well-attested reality."
- the trade unions thing I find interesting, there is some basis for freedom of the press claim, but he's being a little general.
"democratic despotism" still makes no sense, I'm afraid. It's just, uh, not democratic. What does he think should happen?? Absolute monarchy?
Really weird.... I have no clue what he DOES want, because this "left" he's describing is not really what people nowadays who call themselves "left" type people would what... what with no freedom of the press, religious liberty et al. He doesn't even comment on how the initial good intentions went sour or ponder as to why that might be....
Oh yes, I almost forgot -- that's because he believes there never WERE any good intentions, he thinks that there was this plot by outside agitators to ... uh, kill a lot of people for no reason.
No, so, seriously, what does he think THEY wanted?? He's got NO ARGUMENT here, and his only intention seems to be to demonize "the Left".
"King condemned to death by 361 votes to 360 votes. Philippe Egalité announced: "Solely occupied by my duty... I vote for death." When, in late 1793, the Duke himself was out-manoeuvred and ended up on the guillotine, onlookers shouted mockingly "I vote for Death!" and "You voted for the death of your kinsman!". D'Orleans had used too much dynamite; in blowing up the Bourbons he destroyed the throne itself."
...Um? Ohh, kaay, so he's saying Orleans wanted to be king himself, or equivalent. Well, that's not such a ridiculous theory. I just REALLY DOUBT he was the one who started the whole revolution because of it, and reading this is not making me more likely to believe it.
"There were certain people the Left could never win over, therefore, in the words of Jean-Paul Marat: "We must give up the Revolution or do away with these men... we must destroy them." By warring against elements of the nation (the Church, independent craftsmen, landed gentry, the educated, people with property or aspirations etc) - mostly on the grounds of class envy - the Left has historically always been a force for division. "
!!!! "(the Church, independent craftsmen, landed gentry, the educated, people with property or aspirations etc)"
Oh, because none of the leaders of the revolution were at all
educated or had any
aspirations, no no. They were just a bunch of talentless wannabes who like to mess things up. (I could mention, say, Abbé Sieyes, Mirabeau, Herault de Sechelles etc etc etc... but I won't because I don't think it's that good an argument - though it certainly beats his.)
"Marat - described by Webster as "a malignant dwarf" and "homicidal maniac""
*DIES A DEATH* Whyyyyy must they doooo that?? Funnily enough of course, he was a bit homicidal and certainly malignant to some people -- but then he was a popular HERO and spat blood and fire for what he thought...
"was a former Orleaniste fixated with purging society of class enemies. He inspired the Reign of Terror (1793-94), which - like Stalin's War on the Kulaks (rich peasants), Mao's Cultural Revolution or Pol Pot's Killing Fields - devastated many rural provinces. Recalcitrant Royalist areas like the Vendee, Lyons, Normandy, Toulon and Franche-Comte became scenes of horror, with thousands killed in mass drownings, shootings or by the guillotine. Prudhomme estimated just over 1 million deaths in a nation of 25 million. France thereafter ceased to be the most populous nation in Europe."
(I'm not sure about the figures, but we'll let that go - at least he's bothering about provinces though, and he ---- oh, wait. I was about to say he's not insisiting it's just aristocrats dying, but actually..... he says "purging societies of class enemies" and then goes onto talk about mass drownings in the provinces etc. One could easily assume we were still talking about landed people rather than peasants etc at the Vendée. Yeah, and by comparing to other things in that way -- wow. So much wrong there.)
Marat "inspired the Reign of Terror", did he? All by his lonesome? (Well, it's not so ridiculous as what I
thought for a minute it said, which was: "Marat who instigated the Reign of Terror" !!!)
"With a few exceptions, like Marat (whom Webster described as "an elemental - a materialization of pure evil emanating from the realms of outer darkness") it is hard to see most of the revolutionaries as wicked human beings. Some - the conspirators like the Duc d'Orleans - were basically selfish and greedy, which are reprehensible qualities, but which are also extensions of the normal drive for self-preservation. Some - the idealists - were narrow-minded fanatics, but no doubt well-intentioned and convinced they were building a better world. The "Incorruptible" Robespierre was almost a paragon of the disinterested intellectual."
. . . . ok, first... not so completely outrageous as it could have been, normal people etc, maybe...
BUT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA, I've got to find this Nesta Webster book with Marat the "materialization of pure evil" in it!!!
"Deeper and deeper she sank into the literature of the Revolution, collecting several such rare books as La Bastille Devoilée... She published The French Revolution: a Study in Democracy. At last Carlyle's semi-hysterical rhapsody had been met factually... Like Lord Acton she perceived evidence of design in the tumult and a calculating organization. As she worked from original papers as well as printed sources she claimed to have faulted the great Acton nine times. The First World War together with her Revolutionary studies drew out her fearless Bevan fervour. She turned with confident fury on the possible enemies of England. Three books followed in 10 years: World Revolution: The Plot against Civilisation, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements and finally The Surrender of an Empire. They will be worthy of the attention of unbiased historians."
- obit of Nesta Webster...
.......uhh, funny how it says this all so factual... *remembering Marat as pure!evil etc...*
..come on, where's demon!Robespierre? I can't believe he hasn't made an appearance yet...
http://thescorp.multics.org/24webster.htmlANYWAY. blah.
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About Prudhomme!!
http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/french_historical_studies/v026/26.4zizek.pdf&session=5800627http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/(3dnpdtjtvtkqclziv1ceiwjr)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=searcharticlesresults,2,64; Hm?